The Anon Who Knew Too Much, Part II: Interrogation Tactics (And Cryptome, Weird Science/crowdfunder)

Cryptome just launched a hilariously minimalistic Kickstarter.

Speaking of crowdfunders, from the last “weird science” crowdfunder I told you about… they’re down to the wire & the guy just did an interview I found quite thought-provoking.

I said the National Post story was important 🙂

Anyway, there’s a lot we can learn from it if we look at the details.

First, let me get something out of the way. The guy at the center of the story, Matt DeHart, was “high enough” in Anonymous that he registered the YouTube account for and worked on the original “Scientology” video. You know, the one we all saw, with the menacing voiceover and epic soundtrack.

Also, the stuff with the document, where the FBI exposed the CIA’s crimes against humanity (or whatever — it’s the CIA, they violate the Hague Convention by waking up in the morning) was in late 2009. i.e., before Manning contacted WikiLeaks for the first time.

So Wikileaks really has no excuse for not having published that file! Even if Domscheit-Berg erased it from the stolen drive in 2011, that was a period when Wikileaks claimed to be “dying” and needed all the publicity it could get.


We find our quasi-hero just having been raided by the FBI, but he knows they didn’t find anything. The two thumb drives with compromising data were safely hidden behind his dad’s wall-mount gun safe, so he drives over the border, mails them to some contacts… and then (despite having his passport and plenty of cash) RETURNS TO THE UNITED STATES.

Big mistake, right there. Pro tip, guys: once you’ve escaped the belly of the beast, don’t go back!

His next step was even less rational. Having *voluntarily* returned to the US… he gets it into his head that his best bet is to GO TO THE RUSSIAN EMBASSY in the US, and try and get them to… smuggle him out of the country?

(which they refuse to do, of course. I mean, at this point, the guy could have got on an airplane and gone anywhere he wanted. Sure, maybe he would have had to drive to Mexico first, but nothing he didn’t do before)

In case you haven’t noticed, I think it’s fair to say that, even at this juncture of the game, Mr. DeHart was NOT ACTING RATIONALLY. Does this mean I think he was mentally ill? Certainly not. Remeber, we’re operating under the assumption that the FBI/CIA/whomever already knew he’d seen “the document” — they just couldn’t prove it in court.

Okay, so let’s fast forward to the part where they torture him.

The date is August 6, 2010. For those of you who were paying attention, August 2010 was pretty much “peak paranoia” in the Manning/Wikileaks thing. And on August 6, the FBI is greedily rubbing their hands as Mr. DeHart walked into their trap — again! — by crossing the border to get a student visa.

(Seriously, in the middle of the Manning business? After HOPE 2010, when nobody but nobody wanted to enter the country if they didn’t have to… and even Jake Appelbaum fled the joint for a short while after standing in for Assange?)

In any case, Mr. DeHart is now in Maine, in an immigration cell. Let’s look at what happens:

The first step is, they take him into a room and hook him up to an IV drip. Even before the first G-Man asks him a question.

Unfortunately, we don’t have any clue what this drug is. DeHart didn’t tel the National Post reporter what the effects felt like, or the reporter didn’t bother to report this. Nevertheless, we can guess… what kind of effects would you want on someone you were about to interrogate? (Keep in mind that between MKULTRA and decades of military research, the US government has more psychopharmacological knowledge than just about anyone.)

Whatever the drug was, it was pretty bad. My guess is, some form of narcohypnosis was involved that went “a tad too far,” because the next day DeHart wakes up in an ambulance with no idea what just happened. However, I could be wrong — they may have been giving him something very different from the conventional hypnotics, as the doctor who examined him found “drug induced psychosis such as secondary to stimulants.”

It’s worth noting here that, when it comes to various forms of subtle suggestion, I suspect some stimulants can be as effective at throwing you “off balance” as sedatives. Didn’t the Nazis do lots of research into amphetamines and steroids…? (And psychosis strongly suggests more was going on here than we really understand, anyway)

But this collapse wasn’t the end. As soon as he was well enough to be discharged from the hospital, just like Hitler’s doctor reviving the Czech head of state during their “negotiations,” the ordeal continued.

““Something bad happened that day and they kept interrogating me,” Matt said. “I absolutely felt tortured. They aren’t attaching electrodes to you but it’s more insidious. It’s much more insidious.””

Again, there was probably more going on here than meets the eye. But let’s press on. For the two weeks or more that Matt’s “interrogation” lasted, he was kept in a dry cell, without food or water.

Two weeks without food or water?

There was no toilet, they told him to shit in a drain and poured bleach on him when he did.

The only liquid he got was Kool Aid, used to wash down unknown pills he was given. If he didn’t take the drugs (presumably used to keep him in a vulnerable state, vulnerable to whatever other “interrogation” techniques were going on) — he didn’t get to drink.

He was also not allowed to sleep for more than 15-20 minutes at a stretch, ever.

At one point, he was strapped, naked, into a “submission” chair with a bag placed over his head. Possibly relating to this, he later found burn marks on his arm — possibly from electroshock torture (which would contradict his earlier statement, but his earlier statement may have been pulling up and denying repressed memories) but who knows.

The only time he got to eat, actually, was during interrogations. During interrogation he was fed Coca-Cola, given cold fruit, and a Baby Ruth candy bar. That is, one of those on each of three different occaisions — the change in food was the only way he knows there were at least three interrogations.

As he put it, the result of all this was that “you look forward to talking to the FBI even though you know they are working against you.”

In his first court appearance, 5 days after collapsing in the hospital, he slumped to the floor of the courtroom unresponsive. His public defender got Matt’s dad on the phone, who reports that Matt “sounded like a zombie.”

After 11 days of this treatment, Matt signed a consent form relinquishing all his accounts to the FBI to be used for infiltrating Anonymous (and presumably giving the passwords).

Matt was interrogated again (at least once, but it’s hard to know) 13 days after the initial prison “collapse.”

By this point, according to Matt, “I would have told them anything” because of the torture — which is exactly what he did, fabricating a military spy plot that saw the Russians promising him $100,000 a month to funnel secrets from his friends in the US military.

He was released by a judge on May 22, 2012, after the judge found the US government’s “child pornography” case increasingly difficult to believe, and Matt and his family promptly sought asylum in Canada.

The story starts here, as before:

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